KNOCK VISION IS SUSPECT FOR LIES TOLD ABOUT THE RAIN AND IT WAS NOT VIEWED PROPERLY
Source: 1879 Depositions of Witnesses of "Apparition" of Mary, Joseph, John and angels on the gable of Knock Chapel.
After the reported two hour apparition, depositions were taken from the witnesses. There are clues in those statements. Was it a miracle or paranormal or something more natural?
UNDERLINED TEXT AT FACE VALUE INDICATES THE SUPERNATURAL OR INEXPLICABLE
THE BOLDED TEXT IS CLEAR EVIDENCE OF THE MAGIC LANTERN THEORY OR A NON-MIRACLE
THE REST DOESN'T INDICATE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER
THERE ARE FAR MORE BOLDED INDICATING THAT THE EVIDENCE FAVOURS A NATURAL INTERPRETATION
WITNESS |
RAINING |
SPARKLE |
MIRACLE DRY GABLE |
CLOSE UP VIEW |
1 Patrick Hill |
All the time |
Not mentioned For the space of one hour and a half we were under the pouring rain ... I noticed that the rain did not wet the figures. The figures staying dry would be expected if they were projections from a magic lantern. |
YES |
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WEEKLY NEWS 1880 |
When asked if he could touch he strangely does not answer but says instead that an old woman tried to touch the Virgin's feet. Says he was at a distance. |
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DAILY TELEGRAPH 1880 |
YES |
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WITNESS |
RAINING |
SPARKLE |
MIRACLE DRY GABLE |
CLOSE UP VIEW |
2 Mary McLoughlin |
Yes - but does not say it rained all the time |
Yes - like little stars. Was the rain interfering with the light source? |
Not clear. She says the gable had a dry appearance. A wall can look dry at night when it is lit up. She was only saying it looked dry not that it was dry. Even if it was dry, that may not have been a miracle in her view for she didn't say it rained all the time. "I was outside the ditch and to the south-west of the schoolhouse near the road." |
NO - she stayed at the ditch |
WITNESS |
RAINING |
SPARKLE |
MIRACLE DRY GABLE |
CLOSE UP VIEW |
3 Mary Beirne |
All the time |
Yes - like little stars |
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WEEKLY NEWS 1880 |
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1932 Testimony - not under oath |
Yes |
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1935 testimony to Liam Ua Cadhain |
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1936 deathbed sworn statement for Commission |
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WITNESS |
RAINING |
SPARKLE |
MIRACLE DRY GABLE |
CLOSE UP VIEW |
4 Patrick Walsh |
Yes - but does not say it rained all the time |
NO |
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WITNESS |
RAINING |
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MIRACLE DRY GABLE |
CLOSE UP VIEW |
5 Patrick Beirne |
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1932 Testimony |
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1936 Sworn statement |
Heavy drizzle |
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WITNESS |
RAINING |
SPARKLE |
MIRACLE DRY GABLE |
CLOSE UP VIEW |
6 Maggie Beirne |
Yes - but does not say it rained all the time but only at the time she went to see the vision |
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WITNESS |
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MIRACLE DRY GABLE |
CLOSE UP VIEW |
7 Dominick Beirne |
Says the eyes of the images could be seen so YES |
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MIRACLE DRY GABLE |
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8 Mrs Flatley |
NO |
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MIRACLE DRY GABLE |
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9 Bridget Trench |
Yes |
Yes - the wind blew the rain in the direction of the gable but the gable remained dry as did the ground underneath the vision. Another miracle is how if the gable and the ground were really dry, why some visionaries didn't stand against it to get shelter from the rain! Also why did people stand at the south gable of the school house to get all the rain and wind? |
YES |
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WITNESS |
RAINING |
SPARKLE |
MIRACLE DRY GABLE |
CLOSE UP VIEW |
10 Catherine Murray |
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WEEKLY NEWS 1880
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WITNESS |
RAINING |
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MIRACLE DRY GABLE |
CLOSE UP VIEW |
11 John Curry |
NO - he said he went on the wall near the Church to see them. No mention of Hill's claim that he took him up closer. The priest wrote down the testimony and so it is really hearsay about what the child said. It does not suffice as evidence. Nevertheless, when the priest didn't write that Curry had a close up view, it is probable that he didn't have. A child could not resist saying he saw the vision close if he really did. |
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1937 New York Tribunal |
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WITNESS |
RAINING |
SPARKLE |
MIRACLE DRY GABLE |
CLOSE UP VIEW |
12 Judith Campbell |
Yes - but does not say it rained all the time |
Says the place where the images appeared was "quite dry". So she must have thought it was just damp. |
YES |
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WITNESS |
RAINING |
SPARKLE |
MIRACLE DRY GABLE |
CLOSE UP VIEW |
13 Margaret Beirne 2 |
Yes |
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WITNESS |
RAINING |
SPARKLE |
MIRACLE DRY GABLE |
CLOSE UP VIEW |
14 Dominick Beirne Sen |
Says it rained at the time he arrived at the scene but does not say it rained all the time |
Gable not mentioned and only says the images were dry, if the images were made of light this would be what you would expect |
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WITNESS |
RAINING |
SPARKLE |
MIRACLE DRY GABLE |
CLOSE UP VIEW |
15 John Durkan |